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| Topic Started: May 8 2008, 05:47 AM (641 Views) | |
| Post #1 May 8 2008, 05:47 AM | Rachel J. |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7354458.stm Science can do it? If there is a God why did not he make us bodies that would regenerate themselves? |
 
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"I deny the allegations and I defy the alligators!" - Indicted Chicago Alderman | |
 
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| Post #2 May 8 2008, 05:50 AM | Huxley |
| He did. But he tried it out on Salamanders. |
 
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| Post #3 May 27 2008, 06:49 PM | Noel Cookman |
Ever heard of finger nails? Skin? Hair? Actually in 1978 when I was in church work and visiting students in the hospital, I had a young man whose middle finger had been ground to mince meat on about the top third of it - past the first knuckle. It was more than mangled, it was as good as lost. The doctors cut a hole in his stomach, stuck his finger in the hole and bound his arm in that position so that he could not move it. When I talked with him, he said he could actually move his finger inside his stomach and "tickle" himself in such a manner. The body itself "healed" the mangled finger and the young fellow "grew back" his finger. There was no "regenerative medicine." There were no enhancing drugs other than the antibiotics, etc normal to recovery. You speak of "science" as if there is a person or a group that sits in the chief of all laboratories and actually goes by the moniker "science." Is not the question "what is the nature of God?" rather than "why would a God not act in a way that would be pleasing and reasonable to me?" In the case of the latter, we have found evidence of such God - look in the mirror. Talk about anthropomorphic creations of God in man's image! We always make philosophical mistakes when we ask questions and do not understand our own presuppositions. Even thought the question is improper, I shall indulge an answer: Why would God not make a human body that enjoyed health when cared for properly? and why would this body not heal itself when tended to in a manner consistent with the very laws by which it was established? Can't wait to meet this guy/gal, "Science." Do you happen to know his/her address? |
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| Post #4 May 28 2008, 10:39 PM | Joe E. Holman |
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Come on, Noel! Pretty Desperate tactics, my friend! Rachel asked a perfectly valid and understandable question. It is as simple as 1-2-3 and only with the help of the greatest mind-bending religious forces on earth can one not see it. But this here is the apologetics mindset at work; the question was, why doesn't the human body regenerate itself? Why is modern science always trying to find ways to MANIPULATE the human body to heal itself properly? Were Adam and Eve supposed to put their fingers into their stomachs to heal properly just after being expelled from the garden? Why can't these bodies regenerate properly on their own? Why can the chameleon grow new body parts and not us? Why must science do handstands and backflips to get our bodies to operate correctly? And why are there so many back and foot problems? I suffer from the latter badly. The answer is clear 1) we are not divinely created, and 2) we are not yet adapted to our upright position or walking on land. So again, Rachel's question was as a sound as could be. And "science" (that "person" you keep villainizing) is hard at work having to straighten out God's mistakes time and again. |
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| Post #5 May 29 2008, 05:56 AM | Perry |
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Is not the science of science at work - in a sense - the creative mind(s) of humans? Edited by Perry, May 29 2008, 05:57 AM.
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| Post #6 May 30 2008, 10:05 AM | Huxley |
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Whenever a human requires help, help always and exclusively comes from humans. Many of our cells regenerated. Many do not. God won't heal amputees but perhaps stem cell research will. |
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| Post #7 Jun 1 2008, 01:19 AM | Perry |
Not "wont" but can't! All frauds are fundamentally the same.
Not much. Gawd can't deal effectively with either.
"Omni whaaaat," did you say? |
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| Post #8 Jun 2 2008, 06:48 AM | Joe E. Holman |
| The chariots of iron bit has made the rounds, and rightly so. It's amazing how the baffoonish bible writers were dishonest enough to spread myths and repeat lies, and yet honest enough to record the actual history of an event--in this case, that the Israelites were no match for their enemies, the Canaanites. |
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| Post #9 Jun 3 2008, 04:29 AM | Perry |
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I suppose that - in a sense - it's an omni-go-round. Old hat for you and a few, but worthy of a repeat mention, just to keep it in front of one and all.  About as lame as it gets, really, isn't it?How's his nibs gonna manage an AK 44 or a tank if he fumbles with a horse and chariot? |
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| Post #10 Aug 30 2008, 01:39 PM | Noel Cookman |
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Quote: "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." — Judges 1:19
I'm a few month's late seeing this game of "gotcha." An important correction that I didn't expect to have to make with Joe and Perry (given their fidelity to the facts) is the actual quotation. The text does not read "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out..." as if to say "the LORD could not drive out..." Rather it reads "So the LORD was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not..." If you want to be fair in your criticism of the God/Jehovah concept, you must consider a few things beginning with what the text actually says. Secondly, which is it Joe, "buffoonish writers" or "honest" writers . . . or maybe "honest buffoons?" More fair minded folks might note the lack of a mythical, magical type narrative (similar to other ancient literature). The weaknesses and failures of both Judah/Israel and individual leaders are blatantly not concealed as one might expect if some conspirators were trying to perpetuate a silly lie or even an impression that their "god" was superior. There seems to be no inconsistency between the limits of Judah's abilities (even with Jehovah's help) and the writers sense of Jehovah's provision (let alone His existence). One must ask "why." Thirdly, the fact that the LORD helped Judah and Judah was still unable to thoroughly prevail (but only partly) illustrates Judah's lack of power, not God's. Not God's, that is, unless you require that God act in a manner and method more akin to a type of Wizard with a large Magic Wand which he waves at will to perpetuate tricks upon His creation. One would think that a naturalist would appreciate a God who cooperated with the laws of nature and did not constantly (or even worse, at His own unannounced will) violate them. |
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| Post #11 Aug 31 2008, 09:14 PM | Joe E. Holman |
Uh, the "correction" you provide offers us nothing different to consider or correct.
But you obviously don't understand how superstitious people think; they had no problem believing that God was great, and yet he couldn't do some things. He's supposedly all-knowing, and yet he was still surprised by man's lack of faithfulness and rejection of him during the flood epoch (Genesis 6). You've got to stop thinking like a modern, westernized man and think like a putrid primitive.
Yeah, you're right. I guess it's more logical to water my garden by getting my hair wet and just sling my head around so that the drops of water land on it than to just turn on the hose and get the fucking job done. Yeah, good call--and lame-ass excuse for why your spook didn't come through for them. Way to go! *sarcasm* |
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| Post #12 Sep 7 2008, 10:37 AM | Huxley |
| Regrowing body parts? Can I get a new Dick? I've clearly worn this one out (ahem). |
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