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| Topic Started: Nov 24 2009, 01:42 AM (469 Views) | |
| Post #1 Nov 24 2009, 01:42 AM | Bonzolee |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCF9wgMU7es&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ssZeOZkWU&feature=related It's like a buried treasure of amazing quotage. Edited by Bonzolee, Nov 24 2009, 01:43 AM.
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"Brain disorders, like madness, are themselves contagious. The frequency of madness among doctors who are specialists for the mad is notorious." – Gustave Le Bon "The fact that audiences would rather go to Wonderland than face Iraq speaks volumes." – Random Youtube Poster | |
 
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| Post #2 Nov 24 2009, 05:20 PM | magicshoemonkey |
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Ah, Buddy Rich. I would think he was a jerk, but he plays so well, I just can't hate him. Plus his tirades are hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYubfQt7s3o Edited by magicshoemonkey, Nov 24 2009, 05:22 PM.
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| Post #3 Nov 27 2009, 02:02 AM | Joe E. Holman |
| New stuff to me. Notice that not anyone else said a word back to him. |
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| Post #4 Dec 10 2009, 11:43 PM | Bonzolee |
There's another audio file, not on youtube... a guy talks back to him, refusing to shave his beard. "This isn't the goddamn house of david baseball team!" Buddy yelled at him. "Shave it... or you're through." "I won't shave it." "What?" "I said I won't shave the beard." "You're through." (Motions to the bus driver) "Pull over." You can probably find it on google. Buddy Rich was a great drummer, but he's no "end all" of drumming like some claim. For one, he does rush the time on the faster jazz stuff. I mean, the man was fantastic, but he's not the "best drummer ever" or anything. There's no such thing. |
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| Post #5 Dec 11 2009, 07:18 PM | magicshoemonkey |
If this was to me, yeah, I agree. I don't play drums, so I can't really comment much on it other than it sounds/looks cool/complicated. For guitar, though, I know that you would be correct, so I would assume the same is true of drumming. |
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| Post #6 Dec 12 2009, 01:44 AM | Bonzolee |
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Nah– I was just giving a seasoned drummer's opinion of Buddy Rich. My main point – and you applied it to other instruments – is that there are far too many different techniques and styles out there for any one drummer to be considered "the best". It doesn't matter what instrument you play– at a certain point, you arrive at the top of the pyramid. There's no place higher, and all great musicians reach it. So who would you say are your main influences on guitar? |
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| Post #7 Dec 13 2009, 11:22 PM | magicshoemonkey |
Yeah, on the guitar it's like a lot of the guys who say, "Hendrix is the greatest guitarist," or, "Jimmy Page is the greatest guitarist." I mean, they do great stuff, but it's difficult to label greatness and rank it. It depends on what you like and what you want out of music. Certainly if you like super-fast shredding metal, neither of those guys is going to be great. And even if you like electric blues, you may say Albert Collins is greater than Hendrix just for quirkiness, humor, and pure ballsiness (though Hendrix, of course, had those qualities, too). I'm not sure I'm at the point where I have a distinct "style," so saying anyone is my influence seems a bit disingenuous. I've been trying to learn as much old school delta blues, ragtime, and, eventually, jazz as possible: Rev. Gary Davis, Furry Lewis, Robert Wilkins, Lightning Hopkins, Joe Pass. Then I hope to blend that with a lot of punk and proto-punk: Television, Minutemen, Gang of Four. I hope to master those styles and blend it into an interesting punk blues/punk jazz combination. Perhaps I'm overly ambitious for someone who has very few people to play with, but I tend to shoot for the moon on everything. Edited by magicshoemonkey, Dec 13 2009, 11:22 PM.
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| Post #8 Dec 14 2009, 04:04 AM | Bonzolee |
As do I– you don't train and work your ass off to not even make the playoffs; you do it to win the championship! I don't have even a second of time to waste on bullshit. Anyway, what you're shooting for sounds interesting. If my fiction does make me a decent amount of money over the next few years, I'll offer you my drumming and piano abilities, and I can pull in a lot of great talent, people I know, on other instruments as well. I've come to terms that I'll never make a living as a musician in the modern music business. I still play shows and, when I've got the time, tour a bit on the east coast (north, mostly) with my band, and we do make some nice cash... but it's not nearly enough to quit our day jobs. I actually hate playing most shows: the fans generally suck (drunks and lowlifes, never beens and college students looking to party), the promoters and establishments are generally unprepared and act in a manner befitting an egotistical asshole, but I kind of need the money, and it gives me something to do, something to talk about. I was in a band signed to a developmental deal years ago, back when I was fresh out of high school; it was a power trio, two sisters (one of whom was an ex-girlfriend of mine) and myself. Their father was the manager. It ended as expected. It wasn't the greatest idea, I'll admit. It's a long story and I'll leave it at that. I'll always play and write music, work on my technique and experiment, but I'm past the whole idea of it being a career. So, I've kind of thrown all my eggs into the fiction basket at the present moment. I kind of had an urge to quote "Talladega Nights" up there, but I let it go. Anyways, I'm content just playing, jamming, writing, and recording songs. Like I said, if things work out for the best, I'll totally be open to working with you if you ever decide to make a project out of it. I just can't turn down an interesting musical opportunity. Punk, blues, and jazz are styles I know inside out, and the idea of a blend of the 3 sounds like it could be a fresh sound. |
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| Post #9 Dec 16 2009, 11:20 AM | magicshoemonkey |
I think the best way to work as a band today is to release music over the internet. I don't necessarily mean give it away for free, but I think it's really pointless to try to become a "rock star" today. Personally, if I were in a band, I would just want to have a smallish group of fans. I think being a talented, interesting underground band is more interesting than being well-known. Case in point, a band I recently discovered that I like a lot: http://www.youtube.com/user/PomplamooseMusic They don't have a whole lot of releases, but they've got their songs up on iTunes now, and have built up popularity mostly through internet buzz. Anyway, to me making music, and really any kind of art, is not for the purpose of making money (though there's nothing wrong with making money off of one's art) but to present yourself/your POV to the rest of the world by reaching as many people as possible by any means necessary. If you're ever down South playing a gig, let me know. And I accept your offer, if I can find a way to make money through some means in the next year. |
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| Post #10 Dec 18 2009, 02:38 AM | Bonzolee |
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I think it's pretty pointless in trying to become a modern rock star as well. The data is not good. I mean sure, you could say I'm making excuses for why I'm not putting my all into that side of things, but I honestly don't think I'd ever find what I'm looking for there. The modern industry is terrible for career musicians looking to make original, creative music. That said, the ONLY reason I'm even writing a book is to make money off of it. I can say what I want without having to write a novel that exceeds 500 pages; that's just for money. I like writing and all, I have a lot of ideas, but it's a lot of time to dedicate, time that takes away from other parts of my life. I'm looking to get paid here, and from something I actually enjoy doing. Music is different for me. Unless I'm making money off it, I couldn't give two shits whether or not someone hears my music or not. The question is: do I think the music is bloody good? That's the only question that matters. I love playing music. Really, I have no problem only sharing my music with friends. Touring sucks, live gigs are usually a headache, and recording is a lot of work. I like playing music and writing music, and jamming. Recording takes up a lot of time, and unless I'm bringing in a good amount of money somewhere else, I'm not going to record. I mean, I record now, but not much. It's a waste of resources and time, and if you're broke like me, you'd be better off rehearsing for and playing a small to medium size gig, and working longer hours at your day job. Financially, it's a much better decision. I'd love to really spend a good amount of time recording and mixing a good amount of songs, but I'm not going to spend the time on it if I don't have enough money to even live on. And, whatever you do, it must be balanced with the realities of living. Any message I want to deliver to the world can be done so without music, you know? I mean, there is really no message in the music, it's its own thing entirely. It's sounds, textures, melodies. Sure, it's a story, and a conversation amongst musicians, but one that's sonic. I totally "get" that conversation; it's why I love playing music. You can hear a song for the first time and kind of predict all the little bits that are coming up on the road. You can see the notes as they dance with one another. It's a beautiful thing. But you can't turn Isaiah Berlin's essay about positive and negative liberty into music. Such an idea is idiotic. You need words. The message in music comes from the lyrics and surrounding culture, and I'm much more interested in the actual music than that stuff. Lyrically, I always try to add to the mood that I've/we've created with the music itself (but I do plenty of instrumental work as well), and my most hated instrument of the more popular instruments is probably the human voice. So yeah, I don't watch "American Idol". I mean, I love Bruce Dickinson's voice and all, but I prefer actual instruments to the human voice. Of course, I'm only speaking of popular instruments, ones routinely used in bands and orchestras. But back to delivering messages. Really, it can all be done through essays, but with the novel, I'm killing two birds with one stone. If I actually make some good money from it, that is. Edited by Bonzolee, Dec 18 2009, 02:56 AM.
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| Post #11 Dec 18 2009, 02:49 PM | Huxley |
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I actually went back and listened to "Good Times, bad Times" the first Led Zeppelin track I ever heard. I cannot agree with you that selecting 'the best of' is an invidious task. John Bonham is still the daddy. Always was; always will be. |
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| Post #12 Dec 18 2009, 03:53 PM | Bonzolee |
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John Bonham's kick drum foot is absolutely berserk in that song! He's playing broken gallops consisting of 16th and 32nd notes, two notes, except for the very end when the song fades out; there, he's playing broken triplets in groups of two. Took me forever to get that down. My band plays the Black Sabbath song, "War Pigs", and I actually bust out that little trick at the ending jam part. Though, I'd have to say this next song is just as demanding when it comes to kick drum work. Full of triplets. You know the part where it sounds like he's hitting four notes in a row? He is. Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8p9JpDuQ-o And this is not double pedal work. It's all single. The craziest part starts at around the 5:20 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLn5JpIMKck That is some damn fast playing! This is also single kick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UzwKHRYw9c That's tough as hell to pull off. Oh, and I almost forgot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRR_sphw9eE Listen for the kick in the chorus. Though, keeping in mind that while he's incredibly fast with a single kick, even the likes of Tommy Lee would smoke him with a double. He can't play double for some reason. And how about Ian Paice? He's playing some Bonham-esque fills here, only he's adding in the hi-hat as well. He keeps this pattern going longer than I've ever heard any other drummer use it in a song (starts at around the 0:39 mark): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjnhpms2Q1s None of those drummers are playing the kick drum fills in "Good Times, Bad Times" at the speed John does, but they, especially Maiden's drummer, Nicko Mcbrain, are playing parts that are just as demanding. Actually, he uses that broken gallop John uses, only he plays it at a slightly slower tempo and turns it into a rhythm, sometimes exceeding the one minute mark. And that's only one aspect of drumming. Even somebody like Travis Barker from Blink 182 would beat Bonham around the ring in a battle of funk chops. Barker also uses a fill identical to the technique John uses in the beginning of "Rock and Roll" in the song "Feelin' This". John's son doesn't even play that correctly! You're supposed to play straight 8ths with both hands, one on the snare one on the hi-hat, accenting certain notes. How about someone like Elvin Jones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n-gRS_wdI Bonham wouldn't be able to play that. Sure, Jones wouldn't have been able to play Boham's best work, but that's sort of the point. No matter what you learn, you're taking time away from learning something else. And what about double kick? Here's a song, their drummer plays slower double kick patterns but he has a solid grasp on timing. He can play double kick and, with his hands, add in all these extra bits. Ulrich can play faster, but his grasp on timing isn't nearly solid enough to pull this off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2qNiU8XWY Live, he throws a smashing drum solo in the middle of that. That's a demanding piece. I'm just getting started here! If John Bonham is your favorite, sounds the best to your ears, then that's that. Good taste in drumming, too; great pick. He's got tremendous skill and feel. But, if we're seriously talking who is "the all-time best, period,", then I'd wager there's no such pick. There are too many directions one could go off in and explore. |
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| Post #13 Dec 18 2009, 04:00 PM | Bonzolee |
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Almost forgot! Buddy Rich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGd53pmiZs |
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| Post #14 Dec 18 2009, 04:00 PM | Joe E. Holman |
| Dad says Eric Clapton is the greatest guitar player ever. It is to me ridiculous to try and rate greatness like that, but could that assessment be true? |
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| Post #15 Dec 18 2009, 04:04 PM | Bonzolee |
| Eric Clapton would be fucked if he had to play in a thrash metal band. |
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